This Is D&D

[devoneaux]

My personal opinion like I have said earlier is I don't care either way. I will play the game, I will (hopefully) have fun, I will use the foundry to (hopefully) create fun adventures that people will like. I will use the D&D lore because it what the plot of the game is. Other than that I really don't care if people have the opinion it is or isn't. The only thing I care about is when people put forth opinion call it fact and try to mislead people with it on both sides.

And this is where I disagree, it really isn't a matter of opinion, just as there is the star trek tv show, and the 2009 Reboot. So to is there DnD the PnP game, and DnD the Neverwinter mmo, they're too different in design to be comparable really. Apples and oranges as they say.

[trikiran]

And this is where I disagree, it really isn't a matter of opinion, just as there is the star trek tv show, and the 2009 Reboot. So to is there DnD the PnP game, and DnD the Neverwinter mmo, they're too different in design to be comparable really. Apples and oranges as they say.

Silly statment. First of all I can understand if they made this to follow one of the last action D&D games... that did not do super well. But this is following NWN1&2 And while yes this might be considered "rebooting" the D&D franchise this was toatlly not needed. NWN1 was one of the most popular games at it's time and STILLLLLLL has not only a following but there are STILL servers running the game. So the idea that it had to be rebooted is pure garbage.

Aside from that, some of us are pointing out that the biggest holes in the game are with the classes. Everything else is pretty close. But doing an mmo with more traditional class builds has never been attempted. Even with DDO people jsut assumed that "no one would like basic skills" ...... ? Why did someone try an mmo with those? Last I looked people playing NWN1 servers still find them great and the skills and builds to be solid. Why? Because it works. We've never had someone try it this way in an mmo. I'm doing a fair bit of work with the alpha community of the elder scrolls mmo and this is a hot debate again.. Skyrim style or morrowind style? Many vets favor the more indepth morrrowind style instead of the kid friendly skyrim where everything extra has been cut off.

So your statement is right in the sense that the game is different. But there is no need for it to be. NWN1 Worked as an mmo, the PW servers got as big as 1000 players and it worked. No one has tried that combo again. Meanwhile we have a surge of old style games coming into the marketplace and they are working. So why make oranges when apples are still in high demand.

[missouk]

Here is the sum of the argument from those who deny the clear reality, that this game is D&D, by any and all objective measure:



That's really all they are screaming.
+blablabla...

man!
This is nice try to elude all the arguments posted here and there to demonstrate that the only d&d taste of this game comes from the name and logo!
You are trying very hard to distract people from the sad truth :
THIS
IS
NOT
D
&
D
No, not even close, despite the name and the logo.

please, for example, explain to those people :
- How the high lvl of character customisation in d&d became reduced to a dps / tank / healer?
- Why the paragon and heroic paths became strangely very similar to the skill trees of games like WoW or Rift?
- Why the specific d&d characteritics and combat system suddenly became a thic undefined tasteless soup?

Those are only few of the numerous strange transformations that were made to transform d&d into a random heroic fantasy themepark, that could as well be called "the chronicles of zbooba" (yes i like that title ^^)

oh! and i love action in d&d!

[devoneaux]

So your statement is right in the sense that the game is different. But there is no need for it to be. NWN1 Worked as an mmo, the PW servers got as big as 1000 players and it worked. No one has tried that combo again. Meanwhile we have a surge of old style games coming into the marketplace and they are working. So why make oranges when apples are still in high demand.

Firstly I wasn't arguing that Neverwinter needed a reboot, just that it kind of got one anyway. As to why? Couldn't tell you, they probably assume this type of streamlined approach will be safe bet, couldn't say for sure but who knows.

The point i'm making here is that Neverwinter online is a game that is using the name and aesthetic of DnD for the purposes of brand recognition and mass appeal, nothing more nothing less.

[clcmercy]

So, if someone was to flip through a D&D rulebook, look at some videos and declare, "D&D isn't a real roleplaying game", without ever playing, you'd consider their opinion on the subject valid and informed?

EDIT: And follow up question. Do you plan to play Neverwinter, even though it isn't D&D enough for you?

I surely would not dismiss their opinion outright. Nice strawman attempt.

And yes, I plan on playing the game. I also fully predict it will fall short for me and I'll move on to other games, just like previous Cryptic titles have underperformed or outright alienated me in the past. BUT...I will give this one a fair shake just to see if Cryptic finally "got it right".